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has a few notations on the side which

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kind of reinforce the credibility of the

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existence of a program to study UFOs by

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the government but not or not as much as

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the one that i'm about to share with you

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the next one which was the burn metal

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this came from five minutes okay this

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came from mclean virginia postmark and

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it was later correlated with the CIA zip

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code the pages shows scorch marks and

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this is the first page of director of

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Central Intelligence MJ one writing to

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MJ two through seven as you can see

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talking about MJ majestic and Jehovah

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which is perhaps the real reason for the

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MJ abbreviations it also has a signature

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by Fritz for JJ angleton James Jesus

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Angleton was the guy who ran the

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counterintelligence of the CIA for many

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years in a parallel organization to

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check on the rest of the CIA the cover

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note is relevant basically it came from

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the leaker who says he's a retired CIA

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counterintelligence officer it worked

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for angleton and he says this is the

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last piece of paper that connects mj-12

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with JFK's murder and he it also says

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that that at the time is fast

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approaching when the files of the

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majestic Jehovah project will be pried

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loose in the public's right to know but

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we'll begin selena is a person who's a

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secretary for the CIA we also have a

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leak from claim they've been keeping the

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UFO community busy and in some way I

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don't know hi these are the eight tabs

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that are associated with this and I just

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got a slide on each one of these tabs

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but they're the first page summarizes

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the situation that we have that JFK was

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known as Lancer at the time and Lancer

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was inquiring about activities which we

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cannot allow namely he was asking more

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about the UFO program our deadline for

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decision MJ one Allen Dulles wanted to

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have the other MJ members decide and

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agree with his proposed ground rules

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which are the following eight slides for

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first what happens if the president asks

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about UFOs Roja why is he asking declare

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that it's not a security threat will

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come to that just home on the FB keep

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the FBI included just enough to so they

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can keep the secret and the instruction

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risky power spies or back channels

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they're in place so that we know what

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the FBI is thinking the intent of the

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second third tab was to say that DoD a

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security does not apply to MJ except in

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the case of a couple of sub 1

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subcommittee but a national security

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council 5412 and some special classified

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executive orders which some people claim

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don't even exist the attentive tab d was

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to define blue book as in the National

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Intelligence Estimate and proceed with

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its role which was to discredit

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credibility and if anybody asks any

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Congress Supreme Court whoever asks even

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if they're authorized in with a pretty

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high ranking tell them that we won't

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tell them anything about the program

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attentive tabitha was on psychological

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operations one of the things that has

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impressed me is the enormous emphasis

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that is placed in the UFO leaked

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documents that i have on psychological

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operations to make sure that we have a

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sophisticated set of cover stories so

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that the public really never grasps

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what's going on and finally not finally

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but the next-to-last is the intent of

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tab g was concerning biological warfare

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and presumably the problem is alien

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pathogens when they have a program

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called spike and housecleaning that's

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already in place but they have a plan

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for backup using MK ULTRA MK ULTRA as

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some of you may know was an illegal

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unethical program for mind control using

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chemicals of the day plus other programs

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called artichoke and domestic what we

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don't know what they are and finally the

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the grabber here was it if it looks like

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we're going to lose our group and

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getting over money then we ought to try

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assassinated and if you look at these

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words here it basically says at the

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if the weather is lacking any

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precipitation it should be wet and what

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that is is commonly known to be as wet

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is a code word for assassination in the

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criminal world so basically this is an

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authorization in principle to

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assassinate JFK and so i'll have another

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20 seconds of conclusions here and that

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is that i think the original paper and

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ink dating essentially rules out a

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modern hoax for these two documents if

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there was a hoax it was done then not

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now the bow and marginalia strongly

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suggest that MJ trial program existed

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and the burn memo shows issues between

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JFK and mj-12 and reinforces the

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existence of CIA covert projects buried

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in the counterintelligence world and so

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how about that Courtney I think you're

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you do yeah who would like to ask

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questions we have five minutes Oh Brenda

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needs to make a short announcement first

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where's Brenda do the questions okay

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convincing the burn memo it is the most

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something like this it has such an

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explosive import that it would seem to

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me that it could have been hoaxed by

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some extremely devilishly clever hoaxers

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old ink and created a very convincing

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fake isn't that possible well it's

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always possible to imagine a scenario

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where there is a hoax situation but the

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that hypothesis is being correct that's

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the different hypotheses like the one

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that's most reasonable but yes that

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should be on the list of

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credibility for me the most in this is

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the amazingly variable level of

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competence and dedication involved I

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mean if a rogue US government agency had

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enough clout in enough secrecy to

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arrange the assassination of a president

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who is getting too close to the truth

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arm why have not you for example with

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all of these leaked classified documents

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in your possession not quietly been

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disappeared Oh ten years ago or so well

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that's a fair question actually I feel

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that the documents are very important I

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keep them you know locked up pretty

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securely now however this is the first

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time I've exposed this level of detail

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and that document to any audience so I

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don't think I've ever stated before that

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that document clearly links mj-12 with

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the Kennedy assassination so however

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I've enjoyed life and if I get

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assassinated way that's the breaks I've

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had a lot of fun bob is this thing on ya

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Bob I have a question you said that you

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had contacted the son of Vernon Bowen

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yes and I was wondering were you able to

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determine how through your talks with

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him what happened to any of the other

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research or papers that Vernon Bowen

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hands and if it has been preserved

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because I thank you that's an excellent

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question because as soon as I found out

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that he was willing to be friendly and

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cooperative I said well hey I got lots

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of reasons to come to New York City

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because my sister lives there is she

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sitting in the audience too and so I

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said is it okay for me to come and let's

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look and your father's files and so he

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said sure so actually we went over to a

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second house crawled up into the attic

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and open up the doors to all of his

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father's files we found a few additional

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papers from what he had but there was no

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there was nothing that was really earth

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earth shattering result but thank you

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that's a good

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you have been reported that the

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astronauts saw some object on the moon

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did you ever interview the astronauts

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because you make no mention of that kind

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of a sauce eldritch okay well I do i do

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know EDD Mitchell a little bit in fact

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he's participated I thinking SSE

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meetings but one of the things that you

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find in in a discipline like ufology it

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is so broad that you wind up having to

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specialize and so I specialize in

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documents if somebody would tell me what

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they saw last night I would find

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somebody else to go examine it in fact

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the mutual UFO network as a whole

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arsenal of people who go out and and

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follow up on reports including reports

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from other astronauts oh yes oh

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absolutely astronauts are wonderful but

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that's not the thing that I do and I've

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never tried to interview people it's not